I want an argument with the pagan ones. He had lifted up some silly, soft-mory, juvenile arguments to justify why he didn't believe. With all of the humility I can possibly muster, you need to know that I... well, I ate his lunch, and he knew it. He was reduced to speechlessness. I expected given the fact that he couldn't win the argument that he would become a believer, that he didn't. It was then that I realized that he didn't believe because he didn't want to believe. Unbelief is hardly ever the result of reason and thoughtful arguments against believers. Unbelief is almost always a volitional choice. In other words, you decide to believe or not. Augustine said the world says seeing is believing. God says believing is seeing. And believing, by the way, is a choice. And Steve Brown, the Life Network, you think about that. I said key life on the Internet at keylife.org.