For those of you who don't know the Old Testament, well, let me tell you a story. And Judges, chapter 19, there is a story of a Levite, a priest by birth who took a wife, a young wife, most likely they always wore it back then, usually in their teenage years. And after four months, she decided she missed her daddy, and so she ran off. And she went back to dad and he waited a while and then he decided it was time to go get her. So he took a servant, took a donkey, and went to get his wife back, went to get his concubine back, and came to the house and visited with her dad for three or four days, put her on the donkey and they decided to go home. It was a long trip, they couldn't make it all the one day, so they stopped in the town of Benjamin to say the night, and no one would walk on them in. So they were just prepared to camp out in the city square, and an older man came and said, what are y'all doing here, and he said, well no one would welcome us or take us in. And he said, well, you better come home with me, I'll take care of you. So he took the man home and then at her after dark, some people came with torches and started banging on the door and said, we saw this stranger that you took into your house, we want him, give him to us. And the man said, don't do this evil, he said no, we saw him, we want him, give him to us or we'll bring your house down. And they wouldn't leave and they wouldn't leave, so finally this Levite, this priest took his concubine and threw her out and locked her door behind her. And we're told in scriptural language that they knew her and abused her all night so that when they were done, she made it back to the house and she threw herself on the porch and died there. Good morning, the man, the Levite, we don't know his name, gets up, opens the door, says, come on, let's go. Get up. There's no attention to her bruises and bleeding. And when she doesn't get up, he picks her up, puts her on his donkey, takes her home and cuts her into 12 pieces. Now, why do I tell that story? I tell that story because this is the month of the year when I answer your questions. And one of the questions that came from my nieces right there in Nashville is, how could a good God create hell? How could a good God create hell? And my answer is basically to turn that question back and say, in light of the evil that has gone on this earth since his beginning, how could he not? How could he not? Because God is loving and just, because he is perfectly just and perfectly merciful. He created hell to punish the wicked, because he is loving and merciful and just. He created hell to punish the wicked. Please stand as we read from Matthew, chapter 25, beginning with verse 31. These are the words of Jesus. When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. And before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd, separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on his left. Then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom, prepare for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me. I was naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me and the righteous will say to him, when do we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give you drink? When do we see you as a stranger and welcome you or naked and clothed you? When do we see you sick or in prison and visit you? And the king will answer them, truly, I say to you as you did it to the least of my brothers. You did it to me. Then you will say to those on his left. Start from me you cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food. I was thirsty and you gave me no drink. I was a stranger and you did not welcome me. I was naked and you did not clothed me. I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me. Then they also will answer saying, Lord, when do we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and do not minister you to you? And you will answer them saying, truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me. And these will go away into eternal punishment with the righteous into eternal life. Thus far the reading of God's Word all men are like grass and all of his glory is like the flowers in the field and the grass withers and the flowers fall, but not God's Word. God's Word stands forever. Amen. You may be seated. Because God is good and loving, He created a place for justice, a place where wickedness would be punished, a place where wickedness would be punished. Now first of all, let's just kind of get a few things out of the way. One is, God does not enjoy suffering and if you have any concept of God being a torture chamber, a sadistic, evil person, that could not be more wrong. Sometimes when we think about hell, like I used to think about my neighbors, I had some very naughty boys who were neighbors and one time around the 4th of July, they were throwing firecrackers at their dog and they pinned up the clothes of the dog's hull so he couldn't get away from them and they were tormenting it and then when I wouldn't take part in it with them, they started throwing their firecrackers at me and sometimes I think we think about like that kind of evil, the kind of evil that loves to see suffering, those kind of people exist. We know that and we almost think of God, we think of that and we think of hell, we think of that. But God is very clear. He is very clear. He says to us, in Ezekiel 33, as I live declares the Lord, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that the wicked was turned from his way and lived. He would turn back, so turn back from your evil ways. Why will you die, O house of Israel? God is not this evil genius who enjoys torture, he hates it. And why would we think that? Why would we ever begin to think that way? We think that way because bad evangelism, honestly, there's been a lot of well-intentioned people who have used hell manipulatively to get people to be converted, some better than others, right? I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember a defensive end and read you white. He played for the Philadelphia Eagles and then Green Bay. He went to the University of Tennessee and despite that, I'm still a fan. And his first practice, his first day of practice at the University of Tennessee, he was a freshman but he was huge and everybody knew he was a star and it was late July, it was just incredibly hot and then fun all there in Knoxville. And coach Blue Whistle and practice was over and he said, hey coach, are we going to pray? Johnny Majors, you've never said anything without mom, he's like, right, we're going to do what you want. And Reggie interpreted that to mean, go ahead and pray. And so he yells out, take a knee because he was so huge and such a leader of people did. And he began to pray and he said, Lord, I thank you, I thank you that it's so hot out here because it reminds me of hell and how glad I am that I'm not going to be there. Amen. And the guy who was on eye witness to this said four people were converted that day. But there is this temptation to misuse hell and want to go into great detail about the evil there and the torture there and that was done, honestly, ever since the intertestamental period, it was done a lot in the middle ages when the Roman church was building up these great cathedrals like St. Peter's Basilica and Vatican City, the way they funded that was that they would go around and they would tell people how awful, they would preach these sermons on the evil tortures of pargatory and they would say, your uncle's there, and he's going to be there for a million years. But for an offering, if you would make an offering, that's a good work. And the Pope has said that your good work can be transferred to your poor uncle who's suffering in hell and get him out and boy, that worked man, the money just poured in and churches were built, and great evil thoughts were stirred up about God and that's still going on today from haunted houses to well-intentioned ministers, these false ideas of hell are still going on today because that's what Satan wants you to believe. That's what the evil one who's the prince of the power of the air, what he wants you to believe is that God is evil and he does harsh things because he enjoys them and he enjoys getting a two-year-old who only spoke one lie and he enjoys and then died of yellow fever, he enjoys getting that little two-year-old in hell and torturing him for millions of years and that's just not true. And you know that, but just think about it. All right, that idea is repulsive to you, isn't it? Why do you think it's repulsive? Because you have an innate sense of justice. Where do you think you got that? Because you're created in God's image and that image has been renewed in you through the Holy Spirit. And if we, someone like me, who is sinful, who is selfish, who is short tempered, who is short to anger and long to forgive the opposite of Jesus, if I know those ideas are unjust, within the Lord who loves you so much, gave you his only we got in the sun, is dealing with it, you can trust him. He's going to be good. So what is hell? Hell is a place where the scales are balanced. Romans 2 says he will render to each one according to his works. To those who by patience and while doing see good, glory, and immortality, he will give eternal life, but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also for the Greek. Hell, the judgment day is the day when the scales are balanced and you need to know that. There is not a single evil act that will not be punished. Nobody, I want you to hear the Bible say this, no one is getting away with any. We need to know that because it tears at us, right? It tears at us when when somebody like Hunter Moore puts up a website that is filled with revenge porn, just for the stated purpose of tormenting people and running people's lives and he gets after thousands of girls have their private videos hacked and put on the internet with their names and their addresses and their their terribly just their lives are ruined by it and he got a whole two years in prison and we bubble up from inside and said that's not bad enough. It's not and the final day is not here yet, but he'll get justice. He will get justice. No one gets away with anything. He created hell to balance the scales. He created hell to avenge his children. Go back to that awful, awful story about that girl being abused and and known all night until she died. I want you to remember something about her. She was God's daughter and those sins were committed in front of his face. How would you feel, man, if that was done to your daughter in front of your face? God is going to avenge his children. Nobody's getting away with that. Jesus, sweet Jesus, meek and mild said, whoever calls as one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it'd be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and be drowned in the depth of the sea. That is what hell is for. That is why God created it because no one will get away with anything. What is it like? Jesus tells us what it is like. The Bible uses metaphors and again, these metaphors people love to use them literally and they love to use them literally to draw these inaccurate and awful pictures and I want to encourage you that they're metaphors. They have a purpose, right? The Bible has three metaphors for hell. Jesus has three words for it. He's called it fire, darkness and outside. Fire is the place of destruction. Fire symbolizes the destruction that goes on. Jesus tells us in Matthew 10, do not fear those who kill the body. It cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who could destroy both body and soul in hell. It's destruction. The sins that you commit in the body will be punished in the body. It's a place where the chaff is burned and no longer exists. It's a place where the Apostle Paul says we're refined by the fire and everything that is not true, everything that's not real will no longer exist at the place of destruction. Secondly, it's a place of darkness. Jesus says in chapter 25 they have cast the worthless in Matthew 25. Jesus says cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. That place in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's anger. It's not repentance. Repent weeping is quiet. It's asking forgiveness, sobbing. Angry tears are accompanied with gnashing teeth. Anger. How dare you leak me out here? How dare you do this to me? We have a picture of that in Luke 16 when Jesus tells a parable of a rich man in Lazarus and the rich man dies and he goes into the flames and he looks up and he sees Lazarus there in the bosom of Abraham and he calls out to Jesus or he calls out Abraham and he says Abraham, you've got that poor guy there who used to sleep on my steps. Why don't you send him down here to be my servant and put some cold water on my tongue? There's not repentance. There's no looking at him and going oh my I misused you your whole life. I ignored you your whole life. I'm so sorry. He still thinks he can order Lazarus around. There is nobody in hell that wants to go to heaven. There's no repentance there. There's only anger there. And finally the third picture that he uses is the picture of outside. Outside is interesting. In Revelation we have this beautiful depiction of heaven and then he says outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and sexually immoral and murders and idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Outside. What does that mean? It means it's it's a way from God's goodness. The glory of this city of heaven is that that God is there. They don't even need a son because God is there and Jesus is there and their faces are so bright. Their smiles are so bright on the people who are in there that they like the whole city up and no one no one needs any kind of lamp or light or son because because God is there but for those who don't want to be there they're outside.
The way the best way that the hell has been explained to me the way that makes sense to me is that God grants everyone their final prayer. He grants everyone their final prayer. And your ultimate prayer if you were a Christian is not my will but died and be done. I just want you. Your your heart's desire if you were in Christ is to be closer to Christ. And your heart's desire if you are an unbeliever especially an unbeliever in the church which is what most of of Jesus's teachings seems to be about for an unbeliever in church in in the covenant community. You're really your heart desires to manipulate people and to get as far away from God as you can. It's it's not your will God my will be done. And on the final day Jesus says okay it will be done. Do you want to get away from me? Go away from me. That's how punishments described in Romans chapter 2. Over again Paul says he gave the wicked people over to themselves. He gave them over to themselves. If you remember last week I talked about my dog the worst dog in the world and how much she desires to run in traffic and how because of my goodness because of my children who would be mad at me. I don't let go of the leash. I save her life every time I walk her. The picture that God draws for us of judgment is him letting go of the leash or outside. He let them go. He let them go. So that's what what hell is. Let's talk a little bit about who will be there. The the ones that Jesus describes the most are the self-righteous. The people that even though they're around him they trust themselves and they're so proud of their own righteousness that they don't seem to need him. He says not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me Lord Lord do we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do many mighty works in your name and then I will declare to them I never knew you. Depart for me you workers of lawlessness. People who are just so proud of themselves for their uprightness for their good standing and they don't have no need for Jesus even though they're in the church even though they're doing churchy things like casting out demons and even though they're doing churchy things like prophesying you know what that means I mean preachers. I hope you know that right if anybody can be in hell it's gonna be preachers. There's so many of them just get into the office so they can manipulate people it feels good. It feels good to tell people what to do. People who are self-righteous are there. They ignore and close their hearts to the poor in needy. What does Jesus say in the very sermon text that we read it goes you you see all the poor. The people who needed grace the most and you could have helped them. John says in first John if you see your brother in need of believer someone in the church you see him in need and you close your heart off to him. Don't claim to love God you can't possibly love a God that you can't see and not love your brother who you do see. It's the ungenerous the people who claim to be in Christ but there's no change of heart there's nothing that has gone on within them to at least make them want to pity the weak and sometimes we all know this sometimes it's hard to know how to help somebody sometimes it's hard to know what to do and I get that and we may even disagree about the best way to treat somebody but if you're in Christ that desires there right the desires there you want to help and for those who just close their hearts off you can't do that if you're in Christ you just can't that's who's there it's not you know over and over again I know the question most of you all have in your mind right now right how about the innocent native how about you know the good person honestly the Bible is just silent and when the Bible is silent you need to be silent but the Bible is very clear about the wicked Revelation 21 says as for the cowardly the faithless the detestable for murders the sexually immoral sorcerers idolaters and all liars they're portioning being the lake that burns with fire and soul for those who love falsehood and practice falsehood and use lies to manipulate people what Bianca was reading an article yesterday about door-to-door salesman and some of their stories are just evil the lies they would tell to get in the door the lies they would tell to get people's money it's those those who close their hearts and I do want you to understand this God cannot be unjust he can't be so you don't have to worry about over punishment or unfair punishment God can't do it he can't the scales will be balanced and once they're balanced they're balanced now I don't know what that means and you don't either and neither does anybody else so don't claim to there is no wicked person who will go unpunished and nobody has to be punished more than they deserve not one tear drop more than they deserve once the scales are balanced they're balanced so why don't we need another all right Ricky spent 22 minutes on this uncomfortable topic of head all you've made a squirm in our seats I've seen you and why do we need to know that well you need to know that first of all because I don't think forgiveness is possible I know for a fact forgiveness is not possible without an assurance of justice forgiveness is not possible without an assurance of justice look at play sometimes we just focus on the first half of the verses right and you know things like forgive and and love your enemies read the whole verse Romans 12 17 repaid no one for evil give thought to do what is honorable in the side of all if possible this is a great verse for your Facebook account if possible so far as it depends on you live peaceably with all beloved never avenge yourselves never avenge yourselves why leave it to the wrath of God Ford is written vengeance is mine says the Lord I will repay why can we forgive why can we live without anger and bitterness because we know that God will have vengeance there's a Christian writer and thinker named Mirislaw Wolf and he comes from Bosnia and he lived through the awful awful wars that were there in the the genocides of neighbor upon neighbor and it was just terrible and he and he teaches forgiveness and he teaches grace and and he says the reason why we can put down our swords is because we know for certain that God has his in hand that alone will allow you to live without bitterness and he gets into debates every now and then with people in America who say what but God is just loving and forgiving and can't we just teach unconditional love and he laughs and he says and you can look this quote up he said only in the safety of an American suburb could that theology be developed but if you ever stood in front of men whose wives and sisters and daughters have been kidnapped and killed and exploited you would know that without justice there is no forgiveness I know that experience that myself for years and years and years I prayed I should forgive my dad prayed and prayed and prayed I felt the bitterness growing up within me I was angry I couldn't do anything about it I kept asking the Lord give me the grace to do this and he gave me he did it give me a lot he gave me a lot of grace and helped keep that anger from just destroying me from the inside out but the oddest thing happened about what five years ago five years ago this is hilarious years afterward my dad wants to get remarried and he goes to the courthouse for marriage license and the people in the courthouse said Mr. Jones you're you can't get married you're not divorced you're still married to my mom I didn't even know it and so he gets all mad he goes and blames my mom and she's like I don't care you can have your divorce show me the papers I need to sign so he goes to get his divorce and the people in the courthouse go well Mr. Jones you were supposed to be paying spousal support for the past 20 years 30 years 500 dollars a month for 30 years you can't have a divorce until you pay that up and he gets furious and the mom's like I don't need your money just go away but the family lawyer said oh no no no he will pay every penny took him the court had a judgment against him for 50 thousand dollars and when I found all that out in 50 grand the whole is like boatload of money in dress and Tennessee I mean my mom had such high hopes all she wanted to do was go to wall on McDonald's on some days she could have all her dreams fulfilled by that and when I found that out the weirdest thing happened to me something unlocked inside of my heart and I called up my dad at the Saturday before Easter and I said I forgive you for everything you've ever done justice I didn't have to keep punishing him I didn't have to maintain my anger and punish him because he received justice that's why you need to know that no wicked deeds will go unpunished you need to know that no wicked deeds will go unpunished because it keeps you from sending sometimes it does keep you from sending and I would never say that I mean I never used fear of hell to keep you from sending I don't think this would be the might be the first time in 17 years you've heard me say that sentence but Jesus says it and so I should right and so this is what Jesus says he says if your hand caused you to send cut it off it's better for you to interlive crippled then with two hands and go to hell to the unquenchable fire what's he saying he's obviously nice you to cut it off he said I don't care how much it hurts I don't care what if you have to cut off a relationship I don't care if you have to quit your job I don't care what you have to do if you are if something is causing you to send stop it why is it's one thing that passed me into hell Jesus no of course not but is there ever such a thing as one soon you know sometimes people ask me questions I remember one time native one over here so we can talk about Eric and Austin came to pick me up the airport and back then you know you get one hour free parking and so we're walking out of the airport and Eric's just kidding around he didn't mean it and he says should I push the button so we could get free parking you know get a new get a new tag and I said well that would say five bucks but five bucks is not worth going to hell for I don't think we go to hell for that I said I know but it always starts small I always start small remember the greatest movie of all time well some dove they have to hang their friend Jake and Jake says and Gus says to me you're not gonna hang me I'm your friend and Gus says somewhere somehow you cross the line Jake remember Jake's final words never saw in the line Gus I never saw the line just be careful which you make peace with sin it's very possible you're gonna cross the line and the ultimate reason the real reason why I've dispensed this time doing this is because I want you to understand how much Jesus went through for you how much Jesus went through for you what was he doing when he was being tortured to death on the cross he was experiencing the destruction of his body he was experiencing the fires of hell he was experiencing that punishment in his body for the sins we commit in our body what was he doing in Matthew it says from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour he was cast into the darkness for the sins that we committed it make us deserve to be cast in the darkness he went through it so that week when we go through darkness we can go through it with him and we'll never be cast into the outer darkness we'll never be in the place where there's weeping and gnashing of tea because he went there for us and we'll never be outside we'll never have Jesus God's turn his back on us why because in the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice saying Ellie Ellie Lama Subok Thani which is my God my God why have you forsaken me he had God turn his back on him so that we never would he experienced hell for us so that we never would and if you hear that if you really hear that then then I have to ask you the question that the God asks in Ezekiel why do you die why don't you not turn and come to me I take no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked don't force him come to him today please pray with me my father and heaven we pray that you would forgive us for our unfair and unjust thoughts of you for pictures of hell that we carry around because we've been taught them that are just and make you into something evil and unrecognizable the father we also pray that we would you would forgive us for the sins that we commit not believing that hours are deserving of hell while we come to Jesus who experienced it all for us and pray that you would close us up in him and change us so that we have his heart heart that cannot be closed to those who need it we pray in Jesus name amen all right now the band is coming forward to sing a song of of response and during that time the deacons will be taking up the offering please give 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questions send in and you can keep sending them in if you want to I'll do my best and I'll let you go in about 10 minutes or so so let's take them straight through as I got them some of these are written before the sermon was done can you believe that what is the healthy way to spend time with blatantly worldly people without becoming more like them you know you should always when you're doing that seek to show them the love of Christ I think the prayer you should be praying is that they would see Christ in you they would experience God in you it's also wise to be praying that God would not will God would protect you from any compromise of your conscience you would save you from opportunities when you would need to sin or we would sin but that's the best thing is just go in with a servant mentality how can I serve these people how can I love these people pray that God would give you an opportunity to serve and love them and trust him to do the rest that's that's the second thing all right you said if you are in Christ you desire to be near him what does that mean for me when I experience times of apathy toward God well you bought that bothers you right on the body there are infinite morals on the earth who it doesn't bother one bit that they have apathy toward God and that tells me that the Holy Spirit is in you that it bugs you and there's going to be times of growth that's what God does for growth he he separates himself from us there's this great great paragraph in the Westminster confession chapter five the last paragraph and it's says God does for many reasons oftentimes leave his children to periods when they don't experience his presence he does this to show them the power of sin the effects of sin he does this to show them to chastise them to to greater obedience he does this to to entice them to greater closeness with him and then they said I love this and I've ever seen it's an old confession and for diverse other reasons you know but God doesn't want to be apart from you and it's a good thing that it bothers you just ask him to ask him to come back all right what does justice look like for people who have done horrible things to others but seem to be truly believers I do think I know I know that's a really hard thing because you feel like justice hasn't been given and you don't want to see these people that you love cast into hell and at the same time you don't want to you want to forgive them but it's hard to forgive them when they won't acknowledge their sin and I think the best thing for you to do is to pray that the Lord would give them the grace would free them from shame so that they would be able to confess their sin they need that they need to be able to acknowledge what they've done to you and and ask you to forgive them I believe that if the Holy Spirit is alive in them they will but but sometimes you just have to acknowledge that it's a lot easier for me to ask forgiveness from one of you than this for me to ask forgiveness for my kids right because there's just so much shame involved in that sin and so you have to pray that the Lord would remove that shame and there's always going to be questions about this topic in particular that I can't answer you know Jesus died in shame four hours shame and there are things that shame will keep us from doing and we're you know for the rest of it some of you are going to die waiting for an apology that's never going to come and I'm really sorry but that's that's the world we live in and movies you always get closure in earth you don't but you can trust the Lord to do the right thing the judge of all the earth Abraham when he's being told that God's going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah kept saying well not the judge of all the earth do right and the answer to that question is yes it will do right so you can trust him could you speak oh wait I got out of order how does something like Romans 1219 fit in with how we as Christians should view the correctional justice system I hope my illustration can help with that we should the purpose of the justice system is to well to law purposes to protect society and to punish those God uses the justice system the punish those who need to be punished there's also a ton of unfairness and kind of unjustness in anything this this driven by humans and the justice system certainly has that as well but you know it's it's it's been really encouraging even to me in the last year and a half how many people and just in my teeny weency little ministry have been converted in prison and that's that's a delightful thing God being at work there and and I do believe that we I mean the worst thing you can live in is a world without a justice system if you look at I can't remember maybe world health organization with the list of the you know five nations they're most under famine or starvation is the most common every one of them has nothing to do with like droughts or anything like that every one of them it has to do with lack of order there's no law and order you can't get food to the poor the armies are just hoarding it all for themselves and I'm sure you don't want to live in a world without you know with no justice system and those exist so yeah that they are supposed to be doing God's work they always will need reforming so they do that more more better do that better but yeah what's the deal with purgatory
purgatory is a belief that you go to hell for a little while to pave your sins and when you pave your sins you get to go to heaven I do not believe the Bible teaches that I think that Jesus paid the full price for our sins and that when he said it's finished he meant sin had been paid for completely and Hebrews says we've already been perfected in Christ and so I don't believe that I think that's a misunderstanding it's based a lot on a lot of the apocryphal teachings those are books that were written in the intertestamental period that as some wisdom to them but the church has never really thought that they have the authority of God's voice in them and and those who involved a lot of kind of pictures of purgatory we do not think are biblical did Jesus literally descend into hell I don't think so I don't know when he would have he told the thief on the cross today you'll be with me in paradise and so he must have gone to paradise after his death we don't understand all of that his body certainly didn't go to hell his body went to the grave the original one not the original about 500 years after the apostles creed was written the section was added to it the statement that Jesus descended into hell we think that was to combat this idea that Jesus didn't really die that his soul left his body before his body paid for sin and because God can't die and so that phrase basically meant it did mean that his soul did whatever souls do when they die we don't know and there's all these words you know heydish shiel hell but the technical definition of the place where people go after the resurrection of the body and are cast into the lake of fire he didn't go there literally his body was in the grave and you know there's a mysterious part of that and there's a very mysterious verse and second Peter and I'm not going to tell you what it means because I don't know but historical orthodox theology does not believe God went into hell Jesus literally went into hell do we believe there are different circles or levels of hell we do believe that there's different experiences of hell based upon the wickedness you did in your flesh again I'm going to restrain myself to say what the Bible says and it says in Romans 2 you will pay for the deeds you did in the flesh and so if you were awful and evil and you've sinned against your conscience and you tortured animals and humans your experiences of hell will be much much worse than an experience of someone else who you know what's going on so I'm sorry that was stupid I have that back yeah yeah someone who did not do that much evil we definitely believe that and oddly Jesus talks about that he says some servants will be beaten with few stripes and some will be beaten with many but his application was that basically the people who are in the church or in the Old Testament church he said the one who does a new his master's will and did not do it will be beaten with many stripes and so that is that's a good warning to those of us in the church all right what's the few logical explanation for people dying children dying before birth I don't know it's not one so we're going to trust the Lord he's going to do the right thing and I guarantee you when you see what Jesus did we see what God did at the judgment day you're going to go that was right I promise you that but I'm not going to tell you things at the Bible as an answer